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Women’s Freemssonry

A recent edit added Women’s Freemasonry as a third branch or “recognition chain” in Freemasonry… however, my understanding was that these groups were already covered under “Continental”/“Liberal” Freemasonry. Is this not the case? Blueboar (talk) 12:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's a difficult one to determine, while most woman freemasonry would fall under Liberal Freemasonry, some require a belief in God (Universal Co-Masonry and other), which would be incompatible with Liberal Freemasonry, also some Liberal Lodges do not allow women. So, I felt that the most respectful and objective way to present them was to have their own category, what do you think? HyperSite (talk) 03:27, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article review

It has been a while since this article has been reviewed, so I have taken a look at the article and noticed the following:

There are uncited statements in the article.
There is an "unreliable sources" orange banner at the top of "Islam and Freemasonry" section. Is this still valid?

Should this article go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 02:52, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is a tricky topic to bring up at GAR… a LOT of material on Freemasonry comes from two types of sources: 1) Primary source material from insiders, 2) unreliable source material from opponents of Freemasonry. There isn’t much that would qualify as both independent and secondary material - ie what GAR is looking for. I am tempted to say: let’s make it accurate, and if that means we don’t get to GA or FA, so be it. Blueboar (talk) 16:47, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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There are uncited statements in the article. There is an "unreliable sources" orange banner at the top of "Islam and Freemasonry" section. Is this still valid? Z1720 (talk) 02:31, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It’s tricky… The sources cited in that section are reliable as primary sources for verifying what Islamic critics of Freemasonry claim about the fraternity… they are not reliable as secondary sources for saying that these claims are in any way accurate. Blueboar (talk) 16:55, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nomenclature

Given some of the recent additions, I think we need to revisit a discussion that we had several years ago, and reach a (new?) consensus. The issue is what to call the two main traditions/factions within broader Freemasonry?

English language sources tend to reflect an Anglo/American perspective, and use “Regular” and “Continental” when discussing these two branches. Sources that stem from the Euro-sphere, however, tend to use “Liberal” and “Conservative” to describe the two branches. Both forms of nomenclature have neutrality problems.

Here on WP, we try to take a neutral position on all of this. But that presents a problem in determining which terms we should use. My own inclination is that we should use the terms that each branch uses when referring to themselves (so “Regular” and “Liberal”) and avoid the terms that each branch uses when referring to the other (so avoid “Continental”, and “Conservative”). But I am open to suggestions. Blueboar (talk) 16:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]